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I also do not use a bread machine. Was going to but thought better of the spending the initial amt. As was said, I can use the money in other places better I'm sure. So I use my Oster home center mixer and all turns out just as good as it always had. I've had this machine for about 12 or so years and it works as good as it did then. I guess if it ain't broke don't fix it? So if you have some good recipes us non conformists could use please share them. Thanks ever so Diane in WV