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I have been a lurker for some time but now have something to add in response to a posting. The best way I have found to get the very dark color for pumpernickle is to use caramel color. It is a powder, and as far as I can tell taste is not altered. Sold by non other than the old faithful King Arthur's Bread catalog. Just add it to your black bread, Rye or pumpernickle recipe, amount is on the container. Good luck. Brenda in VA.